Monday, February 06, 2006

Conservative Quotes

Please provide me with any links to Conservative MPs quotes, videos, text from when they were talking about Belinda crossing the floor.

6 Comments:

At 10:42 AM, Blogger saffron said...

Well there's this CTV article

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050518/stronach_reaction_050517?s_name=&no_ads=

Political Firestorm

B.C. Conservative MP James Moore was less effective in hiding his distaste for what he believes the sudden announcement reveals about Stronach.

"I think it shows there are two kinds of people in public life -- people with principle and people like Belinda Stronach," he told CTV News.

According to Ontario Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre, the defection also betrays Liberal desperation.

"It has everything to do with the fact she was offered a plum job and Paul Martin is offering every bribe he can to cling on to power," he said.

At the provincial level, Conservative member of the Alberta legislature Tony Abbott was even more outspoken.

"To me, what it is, it's a little rich girl basically whoring herself out to the Liberals," he said.

And in Ontario, former provincial Tory cabinet minister Bob Runciman described Stronach as "attractive," a "dipstick" and a political joke.

"I think she sort of defined herself as something of a dipstick -- an attractive one, but still a dipstick -- with what she's done here today," Runciman told CFRB Radio.

"And if she did have aspirations of leadership, for whatever party it might be in this country, I think she's pretty well done herself in."

According to Stronach's riding vice-president, no matter how one feels about her decision, such remarks are too personal.

"She's a mother," Don Constable told CTV. "I mean how would people feel if this was your sister or mother or wife or girlfriend, how would you feel."

Others, however, lamented the toll on politics.

"It's appalling," Alberta Advanced Education Minister David Hancock said Tuesday.

"She got elected as a Conservative, she ran for the leadership of the Conservatives, and I think that sort of positioning just brings the whole operation of politics and politicians into disrepute."

New Brunswick's Conservative Premier Bernard Lord echoed the sentiment. "This is just another action, another moment, that breeds cynicism of electors," he said.

 
At 1:02 PM, Blogger saffron said...

..."You know, crossing the floor, leaving the party at a critical juncture, I could never do that. I could never live with myself," he (McKay) says. "It's just not in my nature to bail."

..."I think I'll go home and walk my dog," he said at the time. "At least dogs are loyal."

 
At 1:02 PM, Blogger saffron said...

House of Commons debates, on Bill C-251, a private members bill dealing with floor crossing, November 21, 2005

Mr. Ken Epp (Edmonton—Sherwood Park, CPC): …When a member who is elected as a Liberal decides that the Liberal ways just do not cut it and decides to, say, join the Conservative Party, this bill would prevent that member from doing that…


...I think one of the things that got me elected in 1993 was the stand of our party and me personally, that a member of Parliament has as a first obligation to represent the constituents who elected him or her.…


...It is important for us to remember, whether we are Conservatives, Liberals or NDP, that our strength and our legitimization comes from the support of our constituents, which is why I propose that the bill would be improved if there were a clause in it that said that a member who leaves a party may sit as an independent and perhaps not trigger a byelection as long as he or she remains independent and does not align with another party, which would be opposite I believe the element of saying to the people that this person was elected under this banner and if he or she changes the banner then the constituents have the final say on it...


(Later, when a Liberal MP is trying to speak to the bill he gets interrupted by hecklers)

Mr. Charlie Angus: What does it cost to buy people to get them to cross the floor?
Mr. David Christopherson: What did Belinda cost?
Mr. Charlie Angus: And was given a big payoff.
Mr. Pat Martin: She took your spot in cabinet.
Mr. David Christopherson: That was going to be your spot.
Mr. Dave Batters: She only crossed to become a cabinet minister.

...
Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Nepean—Carleton, CPC): Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise today in support of a bill that I believe would restore some accountability around this place.…

...When members of the House crosses the floor, I believe they break a contract, not with their political party but with their constituents. When a member of Parliament is elected to this place, he or she is elected with a party label, having made a commitment to serve with party's label attached to his or her name. Members of the public make their voting decision based on that commitment. Therefore, a contract is formed between the constituent and the member of Parliament.


As was the case for the member for Newmarket—Aurora, when a member crosses the floor, in particular to receive an inducement and be placed into cabnibet and be given a promotion and a raise, that is an example of a broken contract with the constituents with whom that person was elected to represent. For example, in this case, the constituency elected a Conservative and it got a Liberal. That contract was broken with the constituents in Newmarket—Aurora. I want to take this logic further.


I have a private member's bill of my own before the House which would further tighten the bond between the constituents and the member of Parliament. It would allow constituents to fire a member of Parliament if that member of Parliament broke his or her word, lied, cheated or stole. It would be conducted through a petition system and would require that 50% of eligible voters sign the petition, in exchange for which the member of Parliament would have to resign his or her seat and the riding would reopen for a byelection. It would be a very difficult process. We have 87,000 eligible voters in my constituency. That would mean one would need roughly 44,000 signatures on that petition, meaning the individual would have to have engaged in a massive violation of trust. But still, that resource should be there. Why? Because everyone else in the country has to be accountable for the job they do for their employer.

All my constituents go to work in the morning and if they lie, cheat or steal, they are fired. For elected officials, it is four years. In what other field could an employee lie, cheat or steal and then be fired only four or five years later? Why should we in the House of Commons, the House of the common people, live above the basic norms and rules that other employees live up to in their work? We should not. We should live by the same guidelines as everyone else.

 
At 3:27 PM, Blogger WJM said...

Joe Preston from Elgin—Middlesex—London, Ontario, same debate that the Poilievre quote comes from:


The beast of democratic deficit must be slain. We must return to a time of responsibility, a time of personal, individual and political responsibility. It is time to stand and be counted. Members are either here to represent their constituents and their wishes or they are not. If this is true and members elected find they cannot remain in the political party that they arrived in the House representing, then they should stand up for the constituents, go back to the people and let them verify the decision members have made to leave.

 
At 3:39 PM, Blogger Matias said...

There a number of them here:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1116347413338_5/?hub=TopStories

 
At 4:39 PM, Blogger Pete Quily said...

Here's some good conservative quotes from Calgary Grit

http://calgarygrit.blogspot.com/2006/02/nice-comfy-welcome-mat.html

James Moore:
"I think it shows there are two kinds of people in public life -- people with principle and people like Belinda Stronach,"

Pierre Poilievre:
"It has everything to do with the fact she was offered a plum job and Paul Martin is offering every bribe he can to cling on to power,"

Tony Abbott:
"To me, what it is, it's a little rich girl basically whoring herself out to the Liberals,"

Bob Runciman:
"I think she sort of defined herself as something of a dipstick -- an attractive one, but still a dipstick -- with what she's done here today,"

Dave Hancock:
"It's appalling,"

Bernard Lord:
"This is just another action, another moment, that breeds cynicism of electors,"

 

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